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Ridley Scott takes on Napoleon Bonaparte in his biggest and most challenging film yet. Total Film sits down with the legendary director to discuss the humongous battles, yes, but also how he got to the heart of the famed dictator and explored his complicated relationship with his wife, Joséphine. Saddle up…
It takes cojones the size of cannonballs to make a film based on the tumultuous life of Napoleon Bonaparte. Not only will you be following in the deep footsteps of Abel Gance’s five-and-a-half-hour Napoléon (1927) and Sergei Bondarchuk’s sevenhour War and Peace (1966/7) – two of the masterpieces of cinema – but you’re daring to tread where the great Stanley Kubrick failed. After conquering the stars with 2001: A Space Odyssey, the visionary filmmaker famously set out to make his Napoleon film. He read extensively. He scouted far-flung locations. And he cajoled the Romanian People’s Army into committing 40,000 soldiers and 10,000 cavalrymen for the battle scenes. But Kubrick, who promised ‘the best movie ever made’, was ultimately defeated, brought to his knees by the prohibitive cost of the mighty endeavour.
Enter Ridley Scott. Scott, of course, mounts gargantuan productions (Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Exodus: Gods and Kings) like they’re bread-and-butter soldiers to be dipped in his morning eggs. Whip Napoleon into shape? No biggie. ‘I knew Stanley Kubrick,’ he tells Total Film. ‘The script was sent to me by his estate, to say: “Do you want to look at this?” But it was birth to death – the whole nine yards. Napoleon did 66 battles. You can’t do 66 battles [on screen]. So you’ve got to make some choices.’
Neij corboujd
Special Effects Supervisor
Scott collaborations: commercials, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven, Exodus: Gods and Kings, The Martian, Alien: Covenant, Napoleon, Gladiator 2
How does Ridley convey what he needs you to create?
He’s a very visual person. He draws everything. When you’re just having a chat with him, he’s doodling. His attention to detail is second to none. When you’re in a meeting with him, you have to listen to his every word, because if he says, ‘In the back of this scene there’s this little dog in the corner, and he’s nibbling an apple,’ you’ll get to the day of that shoot, and he’ll say, ‘Where’s the dog? Where’s the apple?’ It’s all in his head, the genius.
He’s so prolific…
He’s already thinking about two jobs in advance. And the way he switches between projects is unreal; I’m talking to him about his next one after Gladiator 2. I was in Australia on Alien: Covenant, and I said, ‘Why do you keep doing this?’ And he said, ‘Because I love it. Making movies – that’s my drug.’
What’s the biggest challenge working with him?
He does these large-scale things, but he shoots them in a super-quick time. So the hardest thing is keeping up with him, because he shoots multi-cameras. The minimum he’ll have on a set is five cameras, the most 15. In those big battle scenes in Napoleon, you’ve got to get an effect in front of every one of those cameras. Ridley, very politely, doesn’t stand for slackers. When I hire a crew, I tell everybody upfront, ‘This is going to be the hardest job you’ve ever worked on.’ Gladiator 2 is even harder than Napoleon. He’s taken it to another level and he’s 85. He’s unbelievable.
How is he unique?
He’s very academic. I think he’s got a photographic memory as well. He’s very precise with what he wants. He’s passionate. He’s fast. I just hope he goes on forever, and keeps on making the movies that he does. I’m so surprised he’s never won an Academy Award.
What can you tell us about Gladiator 2?
It’s a pretty simple story, but the set-pieces are huge. It was like stepping back in time, because we built the same Colosseum again.
Scott announced that he’d be turning his attention to Napoleon on 14 October 2020, the same day that The Last Duel wrapped filming. He works fast, and had begun the 62-day shoot – yes, just 62 days, ridiculous for a film of this scale – by February 2022. By then, all of the aforementioned choices were made. Gone was the childhood (‘Third-rate aristocracy without money, from Corsica,’ shrugs Scott). The film would focus on the years of 1793, when Napoleon routed the Royalist rebels in the siege of Toulon, and when Marie Antoinette was executed by guillotine, to 1821, when Napoleon died in exile on the island of St. Helena. It would stage six major battles, including, naturally, Waterloo, but the key to unlocking this unwieldy war chest was in making it a character study. The focus would be the relationship of Napoleon and Joséphine.
‘He was such a powerful man who was, without question, a dictator, and hardly benevolent – what he said, had to go,’ muses Scott. ‘And yet he was vulnerable on one side of his life to a woman. He was enchanted, blown away. I don’t think he was a particularly sexually driven kind of character. Joséphine, as a courtesan, was physically impressive, and had survived in jail. She was put in jail when her husband [Alexandre de Beauharnais, a politician and general of the French Revolution] was executed. The children were taken away from her. In jail, she learned that to avoid the guillotine, you better get pregnant. So she had to, as it were, put herself about, to find the most agreeable man she might want to bed with, and try to get pregnant.
‘He was such a powerful man, and yet he was vulnerable on one side of his life to a woman. He was enchanted’
Ridjey Scott
‘The best way was finding a man who would love her, and who would pay,’ he continues. ‘She realised she had no other choice than to accept this mediocre lieutenant, who actually was on the verge of becoming a general because he had taken Toulon. He adored her, which was the beginning of his letters when he was away from her, which were almost childlike in their sexuality and their naughtiness. By the time he started to grow in stature and rank, she started to pay attention. He became the Emperor of France, and she became the Empress. She’s now clearly impressed. Does she love him? I don’t know. Does she need him? Certainly. So, already, I think this story is more interesting than lots of battles.’
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Scott and his team showed due diligence when it came to their deep-dive research of the man that the filmmaker calls ‘the most researched or over-researched person in history’. But between the agreed-upon facts were gaps and contradictions, meaning dots needed to be joined. Applying a bit of guesswork is not something that Scott is about to fret over.
‘The rest becomes conjecture,’ he shrugs. ‘I’ve done a lot of historical films. I find I’m reading a report of someone else’s report 100 years after the event. So I wonder, “How much do they romance and elaborate? How accurate is it?” It always amuses me when a critic says to me, “This didn’t happen in Jerusalem.” I say, “Were you there? That’s the fucking answer.”’
Acting Stations
To play the big man – or rather the short man (though in truth, 5ft 7in wasn’t short for the time, and the Brits wickedly exaggerated Napoleon’s diminished stature) – Scott turned to Joaquin Phoenix. The pair had previously teamed on Gladiator, when Phoenix played Emperor Commodus. Scott had dangled a few things since, but Napoleon was the one that made the mercurial actor bite. Here was a role of real riches for any actor who longs for complexity. Just as Napoleon was an autocrat who instigated many liberal reforms, so contradictory elements warred within him: ambition, rampant ego, doubt, loyalty, violence, vulnerability. Jodie Comer, meanwhile, was cast as Joséphine, also a plum role full of slippery contradictions. But the Last Duel actor had to withdraw due to a schedule clash when COVID-19 forced filming dates to be rearranged. In her place came Vanessa Kirby.
Arthur Max
Production Designer
Scott collaborations: commercials, G.I. Jane, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Kingdom of Heaven, American Gangster, Robin Hood, Prometheus, The Counsellor, Exodus: Gods and Kings, The Martian, All the Money in the World, The Last Duel, House of Gucci, Napoleon, Gladiator 2
Does Ridley still surprise you after all these years working together?
He’s always surprising. That’s what keeps me around. He’s such an original thinker. His take – when you think you understand the subject, he opens the door. That’s always refreshing and inspiring. He’s the same multidimensional character, and in terms of his acuity, I met all those years ago. The challenge is to keep up with him.
What was the biggest challenge he set you on Napoleon?
Not to go to France! That’s too easy. That’s how he wanted to approach it, because not only is he a director, he’s also a producer. He’s a consummate professional in every way. It’s very annoying how much he knows about everybody’s department. It’s like going to film school, working with him. He has such a vast amount of experience on many, many levels – of production design, camera, post-production, of production itself. There’s nothing about making films that he isn’t really an expert about. So you’re constantly on your toes.
What makes him a unique director?
I’ve worked with a few other directors in my career: they talk. Ridley talks and draws. Give him a pen and a piece of paper, and he’ll do what is famously known as his Ridleygrams – on the hood of a car on location, in the middle of a desert… He’ll jot off a quick doodle, or he’ll spend more time with his coloured pens, doing quite elaborate storyboards. Scorsese does storyboards, but they’re stick figures, on a very elementary level. Ridley’s drawing skills are amazing. He’s an artist. He still paints in his free time. But he likes nothing better than to sit around a table with all of his department heads, and talk and draw and speculate.
What can you tell us about Gladiator 2?
We’ve gone bigger in scale with it than we did on the first one; we’re building bigger and more sets. But the standards and density of detail are the same as ever, no matter what film we’re on. Ridley’s at home on enormous scales of cosmos, but the refinement of microdetail – those standards are extremely high as well. That’s the genius of the man.
Is there anything he’s not good at?
Remembering names! He remembers faces but not so many names.
Janty Yates
Costume Designer
Scott collaborations: Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, American Gangster, Body of Lies, Robin Hood, Prometheus, The Counsellor, Exodus: Gods and Kings, The Martian, All the Money in the World, The Last Duel, House of Gucci, Napoleon, Gladiator 2
Napoleon is another huge-scale epic – is that daunting?
I was thinking the other day, ‘I’d love to do a two-hander with no costume changes.’ But Ridley’s never going to… I have done from space to 17th century to the 1200s to space again. It’s always been huge, and that’s the way he thinks. He is such a visual genius.
What’s it like on a Ridley set?
He’s always created an extraordinary storyboard, which is such a shortcut into his mind. We’ll go on set, and he’ll probably spend an hour just redressing the set – it’s just inevitable. He might do one or two rehearsals, but very rarely do you have a rehearsal session of two weeks beforehand. I think he imbues the actors with confidence, and he just expects them to deliver. He’ll do three takes at the most. It’s extraordinary. He knows exactly what he wants.
He seems to have amazing energy…
Exactly. When the strikes happened he said, ‘Great, I can go and scout the next movie.’ We were in Rabat on Body of Lies, and we were in the same hotel. It was a Sunday. I went, ‘Good God, Ridley is lying by the pool.’ I walked behind him, and I saw that he was reading another script. He just never, ever can switch off, and he doesn’t want to, either. He just wants to create. He’s a walking dynamo. But he’s not a grand director at all.
What’s it like returning to Gladiator 2?
We were dressing 3,000 extras a day on the first one. So it meant getting up at 2am, and dressing them through to 11am. Now our maximum is 750. Now we can scan our actors, and we can make armour for them easily. And Paul [Mescal] is a very good Russell. As the lead, he’s very good and very charismatic. And Denzel [Washington] just rules the roost.
Is there anything Ridley can’t do?
He can’t play tennis any more. He used to play four times a weekend when we were in Ouarzazate doing Kingdom of Heaven. He’s got new knees, and new knees don’t help a tennis player at all!
‘Now, as an Emperor, he has to have a successor,’ says Scott of a film that hops between bedroom and battleground. ‘But the successor wasn’t coming from her. That was impossible. Because of the past history of probably several abortions. And abortions, in those days, were brutal. They used sulphur and arsenic. So they had to divorce. The divorce was emotionally catastrophic for Napoleon, who hated having to do that, but the pressure was clear: he had to do it.’
It makes for meaty drama that demands both actors bring their A-game. Only how did it work? Scott is renowned for shooting fast, from storyboards, while Phoenix is the polar opposite, insisting on exploring every line from every angle, and refusing to hit marks.
‘When I’m reading a scene, I’m getting the geometry and even the movement,’ states Scott. ‘So I’ll start drawing the dialogue scene. And you’ve got to watch it with actors. They’ll say, “Hang on, can’t we at least talk about it?” I’ll say, “Well, we can talk about it. But do you like this?” They go, “Yeah.” So I say, “Why are we talking about it? Let’s fucking do that.”’
Scott will never admit it, but he has a tender side. He might pass off the many great performances in his films with a single throwaway sentence (‘I’m very good at casting’), but you don’t get characters like Thelma and Louise if a filmmaker isn’t skilled with actors, and full of respect for them. Primarily thought of as a stylist, the director can break down a scene’s mechanics and dynamics with the best of them. And so it was when Phoenix came to him two weeks before shooting to say that he was lost, and together they workshopped every scene.
‘Joaquin keeps me honest,’ Scott grins when it’s put to him that Phoenix would surely never accept turning up on set to recreate storyboards. Not many people would dare to contradict Scott, with all of his knowledge and achievements, his decisiveness and bulletproof self-confidence, but Phoenix is one. ‘He will say, “You really want to do this?” I will say, “Yeah.” Joaquin and I have a very good relationship because it’s a tit-for-tat discussion. My biggest compliment ever will be, “Christ almighty, I never thought of that.” That’s the best compliment.’
And so to the battles. They are, after all, what the punters will come for, even if they stay for the politicking and the pillow talk. A brilliant commander whose campaigns are still studied at military academies worldwide, Napoleon took on the Austrians and their Italian allies, led a military expedition to Egypt, fought the War of the Third Coalition against the United Kingdom, the Austrian Empire, the Russian Empire, Naples, Sicily and Sweden, and more, much more. As Scott said up top, 66 battles. Bonaparte was responsible, you might say, for the six million civilian and soldier deaths during the Napoleonic Wars – this biopic is no celebration, and is at pains to avoid cliches such as rousing speeches – but his strategising was unmatched. In the Battle of Austerlitz, Director Scott has been known for action work throughout his career astonishingly recreated here, he brought the War of the Third Coalition to a rapid close by luring enemy forces onto an iced lake then bombarding it with cannon fire.
In Napoleon, each battle scene is staged differently, and each one wows. Scott, like his subject, is a master strategist, and even after 128 years of cinema and countless stunning battles mounted by the likes of Welles, Kurosawa, Lean, Peckinpah and Jackson – not to mention Scott himself – he manages to capture new images that hit like a musket ball between the eyes.
‘Thank you for saying that, but that’s who I am,’ he says. ‘As a commercial director [in the 70s and 80s], I was very, very successful. I used to get shipped out to the US regularly to shoot commercials like this star bloody commercial director. I tended to be very action-orientated. I was always shooting sport. I shot a lot of American football. The action thing, I think, also comes from…’ A rare pause. ‘The best thing for my career I could ever have done was to go to the art schools I went to. I can really draw. After seven years of art school, you bloody better well be able to. I’ll draw all my own storyboards. Every frame is drawn from close-up to medium shots. The locations I haven’t found yet – I’ll imagine the location.
‘Joaquin and I have a very good relationship because it’s a tit-for-tat discussion’
Ridjey Scott
So we’ll look for that location. Visual narrative is my strength. I find it very easy, therefore, to handle eight or 11 cameras at once.’
Scott used to shoot two commercials a week and would operate the camera on all of them. He took that into his filmmaking. ‘I was the only operator – one camera – on Alien,’ he says. ‘I was the only operator – one camera – on The Duellists. Legend. Thelma & Louise. On all these things, I operated the camera. And so I know exactly what a lens will give me. Today, that has evolved into six to eight to 11 cameras. So I’ll sit in my trailer. I’ll have monitors like this [spreads arms to indicate a bank of screens]. I’ll be sitting there, talking to each operator.’
He’s warming to his theme. ‘Every scene is geometry. By having 11 to 14 cameras, we shot Napoleon in 62 days. I’m doing Gladiator 2 now in 54 days, because I’m not doing 50 takes with one camera, on one shot, and then turning around. This normal fight [scene] that could take anything up to a month, I’ll take six days. So the savings are colossal.’
Yes, if any man was going to command Napoleon into shape, it was Scott. What is it they say about film directors? They need to be like a general in charge of an army.
NAPOLEON OPENS IN CINEMAS ON 22 NOVEMBER.